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Dec 09 2013

OpenMandriva and ROSA

After our first release we’ve received few questions about how OpenMandriva content differs from Rosa’s, and the nature of the relationship between OpenMandriva, ROSA and Mandriva SA?
Technically speaking, OpenMandriva and ROSA share a common basic codebase as do all linux distributions. OMA and ROSA teams work in close cooperation exchanging code in both directions which constantly improves and maintains this shared base.
This is the concept behind FLOSS: to be able to take someone’s work and quite effortlessly rebuild it elsewhere thus these similarities are natural for any FLOSS based distribution.

This commonality of code doesn’t result in OpenMandriva and ROSA being the same; far from it in fact, “OpenMandriva Lx 2013.0” has unique features such as a more complete implementation of the KDE stack which includes kmail, krita, amarok. It is built with a newer toolchain that takes advantage of some of the latest optimisations.

It is built with a newer toolchain that takes advantage of some of the latest optimisations. We use glibc-2.18 and are progressing well down the path of support for the ARM architecture. Much of our additional code is directed toward optimisation of the KDE Desktop. A newer kernel release which supports later hardware and that is tweaked for desktop use. Speedy booting is aided by systemd-208 integration. We also include an enhanced printing stack.

It is hard to compare OpenMandriva, a community organized and built system, with that of ROSA a rock solid commercial distribution. Their aims and usage are different. OpenMandriva Cooker will always be a balance between cutting edge elements and new ideas and the need for stability and simplicity – and ROSA, being a commercial company, needs to carefully implement only fully tested and reliable components to ensure maximum stability for their user base.
So it can be seen that a shared code base can be directed to achieve different results: such are the benefits of cooperative effort brought about by the FLOSS approach.

This goes some way to explain the working relationship between OpenMandriva and ROSA as
OpenMandriva builds a distribution in a manner that targets the aspects which its members need and desire. Should a commercial company find the features of our OpenMandriva appealing – they support us, which we welcome, as this allows us to continue to build and improve the OpenMandriva distribution in our own unique and collaborative way.
We hope that in the future other companies may find our efforts to produce a modern and innovative system so appealing they will wish to emulate us.

The real strength of OpenMandriva though is in our ideals. We are in the process of creating
an international distribution where we are directing our efforts to work to professional standards. This is a hard and difficult task in the naturally anarchic world of Open Source but we hope one day people who have contributed to OpenMandriva will find it serves as a passport to work on high visibility projects. We invite you to join us; it will be a bumpy road at first but the more help we have the smoother will be the ride…Nach unserer ersten Veröffentlichung haben wir einige Fragen bekommen, wie OpenMandriva sich von ROSA’s Veröffentlichungen unterscheidet und wie die Beziehungen zwischen OpenMandriva, ROSA und Mandriva SA sind.

In technischer Hinsicht teilen OpenMandriva und ROSA eine gemeinsame grundlegende Codebasis wie dies alle Linuxdistributionen tun. OMA und ROSA Teams arbeiten eng zusammen, tauschen Code in beide Richtungen aus, was die geteilte Basis stetig verbessert und stabil hält.

Das ist das Konzept hinter FLOSS:die Möglichkeit zu haben, die Arbeit eines Einzelnen zu nutzen und ohne größere Probleme nachzubauen. Somit sind diese Gemeinsamkeiten natürlich für jegliche FLOSS-basierende Distribution.

Die Gemeinsamkeit des Codes resultiert nicht darin, dass OpenMandriva und ROSA gleich sind, es existieren tatsächlich Unterschiede. “OpenMandriva LX 2013.0” hat einmalige Merkmale wie eine vollständigere Implementierung des KDE-Stacks, welcher kmail, krita, amarok etc. enthält. Es wird mit einer neueren toolchain gebaut, die von den neuesten Optimierungen profitiert.

Wir nutzen glibc-2.18 und gehen den Pfad der Unterstützung für die ARM-Architektur. Eine große Menge unseres zusätzlichen Codes geht in die Richtung der Optimierung des KDE-Desktops. Ein neuerer Kernel, der mehr Hardware unterstützt und auf den Desktop gerichtet ist. Schnelles Booten wird durch systemd-208 Integration ermöglicht. Wir fügen auch einen verbesserten Druck-Stack bei.

Es ist schwer, OpenMandriva, ein System was durch die Gemeinschaft organisiert und gebaut wird, mit dem von ROSA zu vergleichen, eine grundsolide kommerzielle Distribution. OpenMandriva Cooker wird immer eine Balance zwischen Cutting-Edge Elementen und neuen Ideen und dem Bedürfnis nach Stabilität und Einfachheit haben. ROSA, ein kommerzielles Unternehmen, muss vorsichtig nur getestete und zuverlässige Komponenten für maximale Stabilität bieten.
Somit kann man feststellen, dass eine gemeinsame Codebasis auf unterschiedliche Resultate ausgerichtet sein kann: Das sind die Vorzüge durch FLOSS.Dies erklärt in gewisser Weise auch die Beziehungen zwischen OpenMandriva und ROSA da OpenMandriva eine Distribution erstellt, die den Bedürfnissen und Wünsche ihrer Mitglieder entspricht. Sollte ein kommerzielles Unternehmen die Merkmale von OpenMandriva interessant finden – unterstützen Sie uns, dies begrüßen wir, da dies uns ermöglichen wird, die OpenMandriva Distribution auf unsere eigene und gemeinschaftliche Art zu bauen. Wir hoffen, dass in Zukunft andere Firmen unsere Anstrengungen interessant finden und dass sie sich uns anschließen.

Die wahre Stärke von OpenMandriva liegt in unseren Idealen. Wir sind dabei eine internationale Distribution zu erstellen wobei wir uns an professionellen Standards orientieren- Dies ist eine schwere und anspruchsvolle Aufgabe in der anarchischen Welt von Open Source aber wir hoffen, dass die Beiträge zu OpenMandriva den Beitragenden als Ticket zu stark-sichtbaren Projekten dient. Wir laden euch ein, uns anzuschlien. Es wird eine rauhe Fahrt am Anfang werden aber je mehr Hilfe wir bekommen, umso angenehmer wird die Fahrt…

Après notre première version, nous avons reçu quelques questions sur la façon dont le contenu de OpenMandriva diffère de celui de Rosa, et la nature de la relation entre OpenMandriva, ROSA et Mandriva SA.

Techniquement parlant, OpenMandriva et ROSA partagent une base de code commune comme le font toutes les distributions Linux. Les équipes OMA et ROSA travaillent en étroite collaboration avec échange de code dans les deux sens, ce qui maintient et améliore en permanence cette base commune. C’est le concept qui sous-tend les logiciels libres (FLOSS) : être en mesure de prendre le travail de quelqu’un et le reconstruire ailleurs sans effort. Ainsi de telles similitudes sont naturelles pour toute distribution basée sur les logiciels libres.

Cette communauté de code n’aboutit pas à ce que OpenMandriva et ROSA soient les mêmes, loin de là. En fait, « OpenMandriva Lx 2013.0 » a des caractéristiques uniques telles qu’une mise en œuvre plus complète de la pile KDE qui comprend kmail, krita, amarok. Elle est construite avec un nouvel ensemble d’outils qui tirent parti de certaines des dernières optimisations. Nous utilisons glibc-2.18 et progressons bien sur la voie du support de l’architecture ARM. Une grande part de notre code supplémentaire se porte sur l’optimisation de l’environnement KDE.
Un nouvelle version du noyau prend en charge les derniers matériels et est ajustée pour une utilisation de bureau. Le démarrage rapide est favorisé par l’intégration de systemd-208. Nous incluons également une pile d’impression améliorée.

Il est difficile de comparer OpenMandriva, un système construit et organisé par la communauté avec celui de ROSA, une solide distribution commerciale. Leurs utilisations et objectifs sont différents. OpenMandriva Cooker sera toujours un équilibre entre des éléments de pointe et de nouvelles idées d’une part et le besoin de stabilité et de simplicité d’autre part. Alors que ROSA, étant une société commerciale, a besoin de ne mettre en œuvre avec soin que des composants entièrement testés et fiables pour assurer un maximum la stabilité à leur base d’utilisateurs. Ainsi, on peut voir qu’une base de code partagé peut être employée pour obtenir des résultats différents: tels sont les avantages de l’effort de coopération apportés par l’approche FLOSS.

D’une certaine façon, cela va expliquer la relation de travail entre OpenMandriva et ROSA et aussi le fait qu’ OpenMandriva construise la distribution d’une manière qui cible les aspects que ses membres désirent où dont ils ont besoin. Qu’une société commerciale trouve attractives les caractéristiques de notre OpenMandriva et nous soutienne, nous le saluons car cela nous permet de continuer à construire et améliorer la distribution OpenMandriva d’une manière unique et collaborative. Nous espérons qu’à l’avenir d’autres entreprises trouveront nos efforts pour produire un système moderne et innovant si attrayants qu’ils voudront nous imiter.

La véritable force de OpenMandriva cependant est dans nos idéaux. Nous sommes dans le processus de création d’une distribution internationale, où nous dirigeons nos efforts pour travailler à des normes professionnelles. C’est une tâche difficile dans le monde naturellement anarchique de l’Open Source, mais nous espérons qu’un jour les gens qui ont contribué à OpenMandriva trouveront que cela sert de passeport pour travailler sur des projets à haute visibilité. Nous vous invitons à nous rejoindre, ce sera une route chaotique au début, mais plus nous aurons d’aide plus le voyage sera fluide.

Trad: jclDopo il nostro primo rilascio abbiamo ricevuto alcune domande sulle differenze tra OpenMandriva e ROSA e sulle relazioni tra OpenMandriva, ROSA e Mandriva SA.
Dal punto di vista tecnico OpenMandriva e ROSA hanno in comune una buona parte del software di base come per tutte le altre distribuzioni di Linux. Gli sviluppatori di OMA e ROSA collaborano strettamente scambiando continuamente codice in entrambe le direzioni e questo non solo mantiene ma addirittura migliora questa base comune.
E’l principio su cui si basa l’Open Source (o FLOSS cioè Free Libre Open Source Software): usare il lavoro fatto da altri e con poca fatica adattarlo alle proprie esigenze. Quindi le similitudini sono ovvie per ogni distribuzione basata sul FLOSS.

Queste parti comuni non significano che OpenMandriva e ROSA siano la stessa cosa, tutt’altro. OpenMandriva Lx 2013 ha alcune caratteristiche uniche come un’implementazione più completa dei programmi di KDE (inclusi kmail, krita, amarok). È stata realizzata con una serie di strumenti più aggiornata che si avvale di alcuni dei più recenti miglioramenti. Abbiamo usato glibc-2.18 e siamo a buon punto con il supporto per l’architettura ARM. La maggior parte del codice che abbiamo aggiunto è orientato al miglioramento del desktop di KDE. Una nuova versione del kernel supporta anche l’hardware più recente ed è ottimizzata per l’uso nei desktop. L’avvio veloce è supportato dall’integrazione del systemd-208. Abbiamo migliorato anche il sistema di gestione della stampa.

E’ difficile confrontare OpenMandriva, una distribuzione creata da una comunità, con ROSA che è una distribuzione che ha una solida organizzazione commerciale. Gli obiettivi e gli usi sono diversi. OpenMandriva Cooker sarà sempre in equilibrio tra elementi all’avanguardia e idee nuove da un lato e dall’altro la necessità di essere stabile e di facile uso. ROSA invece è il prodotto di un’impresa commerciale che deve utilizzare solo componenti affidabili e collaudati per assicurare la massima stabilità ai suoi utenti.
Quindi è evidente che le parti di software in comune possono essere usate con scopi diversi: sono i vantaggi della collaborazione insita nella filosofia FLOSS.

Questo spiega parzialmente il rapporto di collaborazione tra OpenMandriva e ROSA. OpenMandriva crea una distribuzione che soddisfa le richieste dei suoi membri. Nel caso che una distribuzione commerciale trovi interessante qualche nostra caratteristica ci supporterà. E questo ci fa piacere perché ci permette di continuare a fare e a migliorare OpenMandriva a modo nostro e in stretta cooperazione l’uno con l’altro.
Speriamo che in futuro altre società trovino i nostri sforzi per produrre un sistema moderno e innovativo così interessanti da volerci imitare.

Ma la vera forza di OpenMandriva sta nei suoi ideali. Il nostro obiettivo è creare una distribuzione a diffusione internazionale lavorando in modo professionale. Questo è difficile nel mondo dell’Open Source per sua natura anarchico, ma speriamo che un giorno coloro che hanno contribuito alla creazione di OpenMandriva potranno sfruttare questa esperienza come lasciapassare per lavorare in progetti di maggiore risonanza.
Unitevi a noi: all’inizio sarà un percorso accidentato ma più saremo e più spianeremo la strada …

Traduzione di Giorgio
Após nosso primeiro lançamento temos recebido algumas perguntas sobre quais as diferenças entre OpenMandriva e Rosa Linux e a natureza da relação entre OpenMandriva, ROSA Lab e Mandriva SA?
Tecnicamente falando, OpenMandriva e ROSA compartilham uma base de código comum, como fazem todas as distribuições linux. OMA e ROSA equipes trabalham em estreita colaboração, trocando o código em ambos os sentidos que constantemente melhora e mantém esta base compartilhada.
Este é o conceito por trás do FLOSS: ser capaz de assumir o trabalho de alguém e sem muito esforço reconstruí­lo em outro lugar, portanto, essas semelhanças são naturais para qualquer distribuição baseada em FLOSS.

Esta semelhança de código não se resume em OpenMandriva e ROSA, sendo o mesmo; longe disso, na verdade, “OpenMandriva Lx 2013,0” tem características únicas, como uma implementação mais completa do KDE que inclui o kmail, krita, amarok. É construído com um novo conjunto de ferramentas que se aproveita das otimizações mais recentes. Nós usamos o glibc­2.18 e estão progredindo bem o caminho para suporte a arquitetura ARM. Muito do nosso código adicional é direcionado para optimização do ambiente de trabalho KDE. Uma versão mais recente do kernel que suporta os mais recentes hardware e que é otimizado para uso em desktop. Inicialização rápida é auxiliado pela integração do systemd­208. Também incluímos suporte de impressão melhorada.

É difícil comparar OpenMandriva, uma comunidade organizada e integrada, com o ROSA uma distribuição comercial sólida. Seus objetivos e uso são diferentes. OpenMandriva Cooker será sempre um equilíbrio entre os elementos de vanguarda e novas idéias e a necessidade de estabilidade e simplicidade – e ROSA, sendo uma empresa comercial, precisa implementar cuidadosamente apenas componentes totalmente testado e confiáveis para garantir máxima estabilidade para seu usuário base.
Por isso, pode ­se ver que a base de código compartilhado pode ser dirigida para alcançar resultados diferentes: tais são os benefícios do esforço cooperativo trazidas pela abordagem FLOSS .

Isto é uma maneira de explicar a relação de trabalho entre OpenMandriva e ROSA.
OpenMandriva constrói uma distribuição de forma que tem como alvo os aspectos que seus membros precisam e desejam. Deve uma empresa comercial, encontrar as características do nosso OpenMandriva atraentes – eles apoiam­ nos, damos as boas vindas, pois isso permite-­nos continuar a construir e melhorar a distribuição de OpenMandriva em nossa própria maneira original e colaborativa.
Esperamos que, no futuro, outras empresas possam encontrar nossos esforços para produzir um moderno e inovador sistema tão atraente, que eles vão querer nos imitar.

A força real do OpenMandriva, porém, é em nossos ideais. Estamos no processo de criação de uma distribuição internacional onde nós estamos direcionando nossos esforços para trabalhar com padrões profissionais.
Esta é uma tarefa difícil e o mundo naturalmente anárquico do Open Source, mas esperamos que um dia as pessoas que contribuíram com OpenMandriva irão ter um passaporte para trabalhar em grandes projetos. Nós convidamos você a se juntar a nós; vai ser uma estrada esburacada no começo, mas quanto mais ajuda que teremos o mais suave será a viagem…

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  1. arun

    Excellent work, but kindly support gnome. Without gnome its a problem

  2. gerzal

    un excellent travail et un effort extraordinaire dans une periode si courte
    mon souhait est : lorsque ROSA, OpenMandriva et Mageia sont tous des distributions filles de la celebre Mandriva, pourquoi ne pas regrouper vos efforts avec ceux du groupe de Mageia afin de produire une seule version communautaire et une autre commerciale comme le cas de RedHat et Fedora ?
    merci infiniment d’avoir nous fourni une telle merveille.

  3. joaco

    The problem is that Mageia doesn’t want that. Rosa existed even when Mandriva was a still a good distro and Mageia came later. But when Mandriva fell definetively and the now developers of OpenMandriva asked to work with Mageia, Mageia didn’t want to work with them, so they went to ROSA.

  4. joaco

    Ok, but what changes beetween OpenMandriva and ROSA Desktop Fresh, they are almost the same to me. The only reason I would choose OpenMandriva is if they assure me you can do a safe upgrade of the distro, can you do it with OpenMandriva?

  5. jorge

    Huh?

    joaco, it seems you missed something, OpenMandriva works with Rosa since the beginning of its creation. Rosa is not a fallback after a fail with Mageia or whatever.

  6. Blackcrack

    Colin, good words !
    gerzal, Mageia was building from an Cheating/trickery team in my opinion.. Started by Ann ! helped by Wobo who has the german Mandrivauser.de on this time and the Frace Dudes has not really understands what going on..
    They are(Magea-Peoples who building up Mageia) has ever tell, “we are make it for the User we are Do it for more Stability” and therewith manipulate they are the whole German Community ! with mandrakeuser.de, .. and almost would have the former C.O. found an Supporter for mandriva linux Distribution.. but all was on this crashed, because.. Mageia comes up and therewith everything was nullified :\…
    And now, want Mageia of course retain their “clean” vest and certainly would like to have it, to be OM Lx does not work and bring to the grave.. and i bet, this is the hottest wish from they are .. .. how ever.. I hope, OM Lx goes the way of Mandriva/Mandrake in Software.. like Gael Duval told, like a Wikipedia of Software (all Software and Windowsmanagers !!) and The Orginal way of The Drakinstaller aaaand Draktools, because Drakinstaller and Draktools just belong together ! The Free Opinion on Installing and the Free Opinion on Configuration ! This it is what makes Mandrake so also OM Lx ! (The “original installer”, an other President and.. what was the 3.rd? humm mus look in my ML-Mail) So, i hope it’s comes now more close to Mandrake Software, but more modern and working with systemd and others actual Software..
    So, greetings to TC, QA and Artworks and my frends naturlemonde 😉
    best regards
    Blacky

  7. dave

    “Mageia was building from an Cheating/trickery team”?
    Mageia was built after Anne and co. were fired from Mandriva S.A., so do not understand why you think they are traitors.
    To be honest there have always been friction between the Edge.it group and the rest of Mandriva, and look at the case when it was time to fire someone the first to be removed were just the those who were part of Edge.it group. So who is the first betrayer?
    Now i’m not here to point the finger to someone and blame him, just wish that people speak knowledgeably and not by hearsay.

  8. Blackcrack

    it’s really funny that Mageia is recommended instead of the own Distriebution and bring people to the own Distro.. !
    http://forum.mandriva.com/en/viewtopic.php?t=138292&p=860802#p860802

    best regards
    Blacky

  9. FarmerBill

    I’m a farmer, not a computer whiz. My 4-year-old laptop that I depend on runs Mandriva 2010.2. Needless to say, I am unable to get updates and patches to important programs, or at least I am not knowledgeable enough to accomplish this. I have also had experience in the past with trying to update to a new distro and thereby causing a major crash, with loss of data.

    With all of this said, what are my best choices to move forward? Mageia, OpenMandriva, another flavor altogether? I have used Mandrake and Mandriva since the 1990s, but this regimen of required changes is something that causes a lot of pain and anguish.

    Thanks for listening–

    Bill

    1. jcl vanier

      Hello,
      OpenMandriva is a good choice 🙂
      However, you should ask this kind of question in the forum which is made for … this kind of question 😉
      It will be easier to center the eventual discussion that may arise about the best way to move to the new distro.

    2. Ekaitz

      En tu caso creo que la mejor elección sería la versión LTS de 5 años de soporte de ROSA Marathon 2012. En Gnome 2 (http://mirror.rosalab.ru/rosa/unofficial/) o KDE 4 (http://mirror.rosalab.ru/rosa/rosa2012lts/iso/ROSA.2012.MARATHON.X1/). Cualquiera de estas elecciones garantiza un entorno lo mas parecido posible al que has tenido hasta ahora, junto con un largo tiempo de soporte y actualizaciones.

  10. fugazi

    Ekaitz post reads in English as:

    In your case I think the best choice would be the LTS version of 5 years of support ROSA Marathon 2012. In Gnome 2 (http://mirror.rosalab.ru/rosa/unofficial/) or KDE 4 (http://mirror.rosalab.ru/rosa/rosa2012lts/iso/ROSA.2012.MARATHON.X1/). Any of these choices ensures an environment as similar as possible to that you have had so far, along with the long time support and updates.

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